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Flat betting is not a good approach to this game, though it is moderately favorable when the penetration is deep. By considering all possible two-card totals, it is a straightforward calculation to count how many of these hands total over 13, and how many total under The house obtains its advantage from the fact that the house always wins over and under bets on player totals of exactly The house has the advantage either way in the long run. In fact, one of the first things you will notice when playing this game is how the over bet, especially, acts as a hedge against most of your losing stiffs when you have a big bet out. The potential strategy gains are extremely small. However, it is also obvious that this house advantage will change throughout the course of the game. We can now analyze your profit potential in this game using standard 6-deck frequency distributions. Using a 1-to-4 spread, your advantage climbs to 1. In the summer of , the developer may market this rule variation to other U. My choice of system, however, is Count 1, for a number of reasons. During both of my visits, however, I was able to find dealers who dealt out 5 decks. It is remarkable that you are able to get any advantage at all flat-betting a 6-deck game, playing through all negative counts. In other words, if the dealer gets a total of 20, both of your hands are going up against this strong total. You cannot beat this game with a small spread and a normal blackjack card counting system. It is easy to see why the ace and deuce, for instance, have such high effects of removal. The win rates are more accurate in the supplement. If you are mathematically inclined, you may use these frequency distributions to estimate your potential advantage and win rate in dollars with various betting approaches. However, it is offered in casinos in Eastern Europe, Asia, and elsewhere. As with any blackjack game, deep penetration is important for card counters. The next step in analyzing this game is to figure out the value of each point-per-deck; in other words, how much does your dis advantage change with each true count? The amount bet on over or under may never exceed the amount bet on the blackjack hand. Good luck! An excess of high cards remaining to be dealt would make a hand totaling over 13 more probable. For this reason, the 6-deck distribution in the supplement is different from that in the report. All other denominations count as their face values. The value of a point is a function of the effects o9f removal and the assigned point values. The best normal card counting system for this game is the DHM a mail order card counting system of years gone by, no longer in print. In regular blackjack, effects of removal are usually given for removing one card from the top of a single deck. If only 4 decks are being dealt out, your expectation is In other words, with normal penetration, you will be playing a break even game. You will also see dealers who do not deal out much more than 4 decks. Caesars Tahoe has been offering it on six tables now for more than a year, which indicates a better chance for longevity than most gimmick games. This means you will be betting one unit on under at -4 and -5, and two units on the under at -6 or below. If you have a background in statistics, you may calculate the value of a true point for each of the three possible bets by dividing the inner products of the effects of removal and their respective assigned point values by the sum of the squares of the point values. Under bets match the blackjack bets 1, 2 or 4 units at -4 and below. But this is another system that is not widely available, and a difficult level 4 strategy that would be unwieldy for most players. With 4 decks dealt out, this spread will get you an advantage of about 0. For ease of use, I have analyzed your expectation with a flat bet, a spread, and a spread. The effect of removing an ace from a single deck is approximately In other words, even though the house advantage over you on the over bet in a single-deck game is about 6. King, Queen, Jack and 10 all count as ten. The advantage at a true count of 0 is If you find a 2-deck Vegas Strip rules game, your advantage at 0 would be All of the figures in the advantage column should be adjusted accordingly. Note that the most common counting systems correlate poorly. If you place an over bet, and you are dealt a total of 14, you win regardless of what the dealer has. Just follow the recommendations and you should have no trouble. Having a system with a high betting correlation for your regular blackjack hand is useless. The reason for this is that we are obtaining the larger spread by lowering the minimum bet, as opposed to raising the maximum. Again, this is a very straightforward mathematical calculation. The player who places a bet in the over circle is betting that his first two cards will total more than The player who places a bet in the under circle is betting that his first two cards will total less than These are even money bets. These effects are much greater than those for regular blackjack. Also note that these effects of removal are for removing just one card from the top of a 6-deck shoe. We can see here that Count 4 and Count 5, both level two systems, correlate the best. The frequency distributions for this count are identical to those for the Hi-Opt I counting system. Such tactics will greatly increase your expectation. Much of the pain of being dealt a 14, 15 or 16 vs. The simulations also used a different method of rounding than the mathematical model used for the Report. If the dealer gets a natural, neither of your hands win money. Since we have different effects of removal for the over bet, the under bet, and the regular blackjack hand, each true count will technically have three different values. This is due to the lower betting correlation, caused primarily by assigning a plus value to the ace. Now you can see why this is such a nice game for card counters. The more technical explanations are for the math-heads who will hopefully appreciate the full story. Card Counting.{/INSERTKEYS}{/PARAGRAPH} At the top of each page is the number of decks in play, and the assumed rules. If you are playing in a game with a different set of rules, adjust the advantages accordingly. The developer, Mr. The following simplified chart shows your actual expectations at various true counts when you place over or under bets when you have the advantage. In order to devise an optimal card counting system that will tell us when the over or under bets have become advantageous, we must first figure out the effects of removing each of the individual cards. The removal of one ace, for instance, in a 6-deck blackjack game, has an effect of approximately Removing an ace has 6 times this effect on any over bet, and seven times this effect on an under bet. My analysis yields the following data. If you get into the deeply dealt games, you will see opportunities like this regularly. Griffin also explains how to find the inner product. We will find, for instance, that when we remove one ten-valued card, we come up with slightly fewer possible two-card hands that will total over 13, and slightly more two-card hands that will total under The difference between the house advantage off the top and minus one ten tells us the effect of removing a ten. This means that all of the negative advantages that occur on these bets at various counts will have no effect on your expectation since you will not be betting. And with 5 decks dealt out, your expectation is about 1. This means that we can further simplify the chart of our expectations at various true counts by averaging our advantages when we place simultaneous bets. Others using various numbers of decks are reportedly being offered on cruise ships and in overseas casinos. The side bet circles will be labelled "over" and "under. Fortunately, Sam Case has a computer program that spits out this data in a fraction of a second. At -4 or below, you match your blackjack bet with an under bet. Note that you should first multiply the 6-deck effects of removal for the over and under bets by 6, in order to obtain the effects of removal per deck. Consider that if either one of your cards is an ace or a deuce, you could not possibly lose the under bet, nor could you possibly win the over bet. Do note that each true count with this system affects your regular blackjack advantage by only -. When you are playing simultaneous blackjack hands, you must account for the covariance. But be aware of any substantial negative swings, and cut back your bets accordingly. {PARAGRAPH}{INSERTKEYS}Much of this report will seem too technical for the average player. You may note that the 6-deck win rates in the supplement are 0. At the time of this writing August, the only U. Bets on the regular blackjack hand are placed in the large central circle the normal betting spot. It can also be shown that if we place two equal simultaneous bets on events with different expectations, our combined expectation is the same as if we had placed one bet of the total amount on the average of the two expectations. And an excess of low cards will make an under 13 hand more probable. Generally, I do not advise serious players to risk so much for so little. The following chart shows your expectation in percent on each of the three possible bets you may make at various true counts.